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We want to know your opinion on AJAX. There's a lot of hype around the web about it, and we want to know what you really think about it:
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Do you really know what AJAX is all about?
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Do you find it useful?
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Do you use any AJAX-based applications? Which?
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Is this really the technology of tomorrow or is it just a fancy buzz word to impress your competitors?
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Do you use AJAX in your projects? Do your clients like it?
We want you to speak your mind about this topic. You can also post online resources about AJAX, questions or even sample applications.
Good luck!
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I have played with AJAX on a l... View more
I have played with AJAX on a live site and it is a mixed bag of reactions from the users.
Some like it but some also say that they dont like the reduced lack of navigation ability when using the "back" button.
I think that the technology is great when used in a way that complements the framework of a site, however using it "its sake" does cause issues.
My own feelings are that if an extended extension of dw8 was available rather than the current offerring (which I use) that enabled the user more ability to tweak the settings then the use of Ajax would become more mainstream.
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hi there, I don't know it ajax is the technology of the future but I know that I use gmail, and products from 37signals.com and I find them far superior in terms of ui and general design to the current reload page mechanism that we have to use to work with data. I'm not using ajax for the moment but I would if I had time to get to know it. my 2 cents thomas
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Yes, AJAX is the way to go!... View more
Yes, AJAX is the way to go! Is this something Interakt is planning on adding to the current products or are we guys planning on making new products with this technology?
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Chances are you already know h... View more
Chances are you already know how to do AJAX. It uses old technologies in a new way. JavaScript, DOM, XML, XHTML and XMLHttpRequest. Combining these technologies to reduce the number or size of server requests is pretty much what AJAX is about.
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I think AJAX is quite impressive. It certainly has a bit of a hype implied, however the way it displays the information is remarkable.
As user it is userful.
Not at the time, it will required me additional training to develop and implement.
I'll love to use it, but don't got the time to research.
It might not be, however the evolution it may have and ramifications have highly potencial. If we don't fully understand the technology of today we'll have a hard time try to getting right in the future.
I will love to use AJAX in the future.
Jeap, MX AJAX Sound very tempting.
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Well yes, AJAX can make pretty much sense -- Iīm currently toying around with TurboDbAdmin ( http://www.turboajax.com/turbodbadmin.html), and though itīs currently not comparable to PhpMyAdmin because of missing general database admin functions, itīs really fun to edit & automatically save some data inline & see instant results instead of having to scroll the whole page down to access a submit button. For actions like this itīs a real time-saver, and optional inline editing/saving and such for e.g. nextensio form fields (on a per-field basis of course) will surely be a very helpful addition -- plus this does also turn into a notable workflow improvement :: letīs say your form has a hidden date field like "last update" that automatically submits the {NOW} value on form submission -- well thatīs fine, but in many cases youīd just want to fix some typo errors in some text fields *without* having other fields automatically updated. Thatīs where the AJAX - way can really make a difference Günter
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- Do you really know what AJAX is all about?
- Yes, I have been doing a little research and feel that it is a great group of tools.
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Do you find it useful?
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Do you use any AJAX-based applications? Which?
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Is this really the technology of tomorrow or is it just a fancy buzz word to impress your competitors?
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Do you use AJAX in your projects? Do your clients like it?
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I am definitely looking into AJAX .. what concerns me is what happens if JavaScript is turned off in the browser, as it seems to be quite JavaScript dependent.
Nancy
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@Nancy:
It's funny that you m... View more
@Nancy:
It's funny that you mentioned JavaScript. Here is an intriguing article on whether JavaScript is really turned off.
Regards,
Marius
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Thanks, Marius .. I'll read it... View more
Thanks, Marius .. I'll read it. Although you got my curiosity .. why do you think it's funny that I would mention JavaScript? From what I've seen thus far (and it's not that much) AJAX is dependent on JavaScript .. so if it's turned off .....
Anyway .. I'll read the article. thanks again!
Nancy
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somehow feeling the urge to ad... View more
somehow feeling the urge to add my 2ct to this :-)
yes, I do think that all this "what if javascript is turned off..." stuff is in fact extremely far from reality :: itīs only developers who actually seem to know what "javascript" means respectively how this can be turned off/on in the browserīs settings -- the regular user will probably never hear this funny term at all and will only get to notice a related indication when being faced with a JS error message.
Now that InterAKT has established an AJAX forum, I think itīs understood that they need to evaluate the current general knowledge of the underlying technical procedures respectively the current acceptance -- but what for, is it about AJAX alone as a sort of "value in itself" ? Surely not, and I bet that to InterAKT this technology is meant to be included in respectively combined with several of their products sooner or later. And, well, what sort of fellows are using their *Extensions* ? Developers. What are Developers using their extensions for ? For mainly producing backend systems.What guys are using the backend systems weīre creating with InterAKTīs tools ? Those we need to serve some more or less in-depth "how-to" instructions anyway, and 10 seconds of our "in quantity" - tuition can be easily spent on mentioning the very basical browser requirements.
I think we should consider this *context* when throwing our "fear of javascript" arguments in here -- as we are developers of such stuff, we should ouselves not be shy using javascript or Ajax or whatever anyway. And when weīre producing backend systems which partially require such advanced stuff -- well, such systems are for 99% getting used within a "controllable environment", and itīs actually no big deal to tell your own workmates (in my case) or those of your customers which are in charge of managing their e.g. CMS to (as a little side note of the already required "how to use your backend" - training...) use a modern standard browser with javascript activated -- better donīt even mention this word at all & without need, itīs better to let sleeping dogs lie :-)
Now relating to this very well written and maybe "politically incorrect" article Marius mentioned -- I do feel pretty much "at home" with whatīs described there, and I like this article very much, because it really addresses a truly "backward" and in real life completely absurd old-school - developer myth. Donīt understand me wrong, I love fairy tales in general, but I canīt help despising such mantra-like myths which rigidly try to imply that the WWW (and itīs users) somehow didnīt advance since 1492 or whatever :-) -- the real users behaviour & perception is fortunately different from what all those self-proclaimed "beware of javascript" - apostels keep preaching over and over :: as Iīm trying to control a rather *big* international team thatīs getting used to handle InterAKTīs productīs (better: their results :-) for 2 years now, that fictional "what if javascript..." issue did *never* occur, and the general "2005 browser environment variables" are (maybe just in Europe ?) as definite as can be in regard to the regular user :: MSIE 5.5 or higher is to be considered the the de-facto standard browser on Windows systems -- and even if "my guys" occasionally have another secondary browsers installed like Firefox or whatever else -- all those "pro firefox" statistics published by the "pro firefox" cofraternity of course donīt mention one thing :: itīs mostly getting installed out of curiosity and because the computer magīs CD comes with a cool and momentously looking sticker telling you to just install it, for whatever reason the editorial jounalist desparately needs to come up with to get his magazine filled during the otherwise uneventful holiday season -- but when it comes to *regular usage* and the regularily unchanged default settings, MSIE still beats the pants off anything else. Talking about "security" now :: noone of "my guys" (spanning a range from true amateurs to well experienced users) has ever *tried* to find that well hidden MSIE "security" tab and even take the burden to scroll down without any reason to find something completely incomprehensible like MSIEīs "active scripting". Of course they were better off addressing this issue, but -- why should the regular user turn javascript off, when he doesnīt attach any value to something he doesnīt even know it exists :-)
If weīre talking about true "real life" problems related to InterAKTīs range of products, itīs so far only the KTML - related Popup blocker issue when they *eventually* notice that somethingīs not as it should be, but then again -- KTML is also a part of a backend system, and this is a different context with a different set of rules.
Phew :-)
Günter
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Guenter--Thank you for posting... View more
Guenter--
Thank you for posting your thoughts on this subject. It was very interesting to me. Although I run into a few people who have javascript turned off, I really don't see that as much of an issue. The problems I run into when a page appears "broken" to a user are almost always related to zonealarm. The user doesn't understand how to configure zonealarm properly or he has unwittingly turned all settings to the "mega-high block everything" setting. I have been reluctant to do much with AJAX because of that. Do you ever see problems with zonealarm and pages using Interakt sb?
--Meredith
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I love most of the AJAX enabled sites that i have seen. I have done some reading on it and would love to implement it but I like many others just don't have the time right now. I have used GMAIL for over a year now and LOVE it and Google Maps rocks too. I have also seen some other sites using it that do some very cool stuff, but i haven't used them as much as the others i mentioned. If Interact is considering making an AJAX tool I would be very interesting in checking it out. Jeremy
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No. but I am learning.
I think it can be very useful. Lower Bandwidth, near stateless pages
MX Query
I believe it is the technology of tomorrow, because it is based on non-proprietary technology. The main reason I am an InterAKT client is I made a conscience decision to abandon Microsoft products for the non-proprietary PHP MySQL platform. I believe that eventually all of the core computer technology will be open source with add-ons and enhancements available for $$ via companies like InterAKT.
Not yet
N/A
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Hi There , I started to use Aj... View more
Hi There , I started to use Ajax recently into few frontend applications , but only for very specific needs , I found some discussion on the web concerning search engine compatibility , I haven't much time to get through this question...but I'm very interested to write a frontend interface 100% ajax.
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Hi Frederic,
We're thinking s... View more
Hi Frederic,
We're thinking seriously of releasing several Ajax controls... However, do you feel that the controls should "gracefully degrade" and always work when the client don't have JavaScript support?
I mean - would you consider releasing an e-commerce site if it would work only with JS enabled?
How about an Intranet site? Can you enforce JavaScript for internal web applications?
Alexandru
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So far my experience with AJAX has been mixed. Many of the examples I have seen/tried just do not work... JS errors seem to be the norm. Even some of the examples cited in an article on this site died a painful death. After researching, reading, experimenting, and bookmarking many sites and examples the last three months I am just not sure I want to spend much more time with something that is prone to breakage in the hands of "pros" and "amateurs" alike. My browsers are nothing more than IE 6.0 SP2, Mozilla & Firefox. If it breaks for me, then what about my customer who might be a secretary who has to order customized print (what my company creates) whose browser may not be the latest. It then looks bad for my company and me.
I think this from a lack of good testing or just a lack of some kind standards.
When AJAX gets a serious development tool or toolset (Interakt???) with a set of standards then maybe I might change my mind...
And as always... my opinion can change daily.
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I'm aware about the javascript... View more
I'm aware about the javascript enabled or not and problems like the back button and ++....
By the way my Ajax is not good :-( . But I believe Ajax has a huge role to play in the future , better be ready..
Of course Ajax is not new , HttpRequest has been already used the few years and has his best to show .
went trought this recently : http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/AJAX ,
but I'm sure that people who are interested in Ajax , found the link too.
My interest in a full frontend Ajax interface is just a case study for the moment .
I'm using ajax with precautions in a basic way into few front-end applications only .
Still working with the " crossBrowser " approach , frustrating of course but with no other options yet.
Frederic Malaysia , Sorry for my english , but for a french it's not so bad after all :-)
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Am I missing something here? Are we not really just talking about 'JavaScript programming'? I, and like many others (some of you), have been using JS and XML & Iframes and XMLHttpRequest for a few years now in various forms and situations. So now we have a fancy name for it???
How about this: I create the same type of programming and do many of the same things with PHP (my preferred language). Should we now call 'PHP programming' "APAX"??? - if we do, I created it and you heard it here first... LOL...
Here is how I see it. You use whatever is best for the job. If JS can get you there quicker, cleaner and you don't care about 'JS issues" and etc., then use it. If PHP, JSP, ASP, etc. etc. etc. floats your boat, go for it. And lets not forget "Flex" and "OpenLazlo" either.
I use a mix of PHP and JS and I am happy. Maybe I should call it "PHPJSJAX"...
but for mission critical pages it will always be PHP.
just my two cents and if my grammer is bad it is because it is way to early in the morning...
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Hi,
I agree to Roy about AJAX... View more
Hi,
I agree to Roy about AJAX being an old technique that has just being given a fancy new name. However, giving it a name is not necessarily about marketing. Maybe it's an indication that AJAX is striving to become a standard in development. And maybe, as we'll see more and more AJAX apps out there, browsers will start offering (better) JavaScript support by default.
The JavaScript errors that Roy mentions are just a proof of bad programming, I think. Using a technique such as AJAX would require very thourough testing, since there are involved at least 3 technologies. Developers who fail to understand this or simple ignore testing are bound to fail or loose clients.
Regards,
Marius
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AMEN!!!AJAX is not for the cas... View more
AMEN!!!
AJAX is not for the casual programmer and that is part of the problem. Everytime something new comes along scores of "web designers, programmers, etc." will jump on the bandwagen and produce lots and lots of bad code that will be unleashed on an unsuspecting public.
I am not against AJAX, I just feel that untested code and poor planning leads to very bad results for users and consumers. When good AJAX is produced, the results can be stunning (Google maps for one), but bad AJAX is a real mood killer (spend about 15 minutes searching out AJAX aps and you will see).
As for "Marketing", my thoughts were really a "backhanded" compliment to the writers and book publishers. It is much sexier to title a book called "Beginners AJAX" than "Beginners Asynchronous Javascript and Extensible Markup Language" which sounds much duller...
And how about this: In the world of "RIA" we have three contenders fighting for recognition.
AJAX, Flex and OpenLaszlo... and oh boy things could get wicked...
But these are just my current thoughts... feel free to have your own...
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I totally agree, Roy, especial... View more
I totally agree, Roy, especially since AJAX is all about Web 2.0, so it should make applications easier to use, not just more complex, for the sake of it. Nevertheless, developers should not get carried away with this "easy to use" this does not mean fancy, nor does it mean throwing in some shinny controls in your applications. It's really about helping people, not about forcing people to use or learn something new.
Marius
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I totally agree, Roy, especi... View more
I totally agree, Roy, especially since AJAX is all about Web 2.0, so it should make applications easier to use, not just more complex, for the sake of it. Nevertheless, developers should not get carried away with this "easy to use" this does not mean fancy, nor does it mean throwing in some shinny controls in your applications. It's really about helping people, not about forcing people to use or learn something new.
Marius
Even though I'm some way off being competent to write my own AJAX, I welcome it as another means to automate Web content - which, in my view, is a huge portion of what makes the Web special. The more we can compact our code & organise our content, then the more free we become to extend the Web's capabilities .....
All the same, I think that most of what can be done with AJAX is already done, by clever-enough people, with PHP and XML ..... oh! Isn't that what AJAX is, fundamentally ..... ?!
Just another buzzword? Yes, undoubtedly.
However, the guys who 'invented' it have taken the trouble to rationalize their methods, break them down & explain them. If it takes a buzzword to get our attention, then what the hell - more power to them! Their work helps us :)
Just remember it's not a gospel, nor even a new code. It's a method.
While we're on buzzwords ..... what the hell is Web2? Don't refer me to an article; I've read them. Please tell me what you see there, that signifies a radical change in the Web & how it's used? Am I missing something?
Cherry ;)
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Hi Cherry,
Again, as with AJA... View more
Hi Cherry,
Again, as with AJAX, Web 2.0 is something you might be using without even noticing it. Here is Yahoo's latest Web 2.0 service. It's acts like a "guided search", intended to make search query results more relevant, through the use of tagging. People share their own web bookmarks with their friends and categorize websites according to their own interests and preferences. Accordingly, friends in their "social network" should -- at least in theory -- be able to find more relevant results, by performing a "guided" search through these bookmarks. So here is folksonomy put to the test once again (after Yahoo's acquisition of the Flickr photo-sharing service, notorious of its tagging system).
There are many Web 2.0 applications out there! If you want, you can look at it as a rather philosophical concept, rather than a technological one: it's simply about making the Internet friendlier and for people, not for machines.
I'm not sure I made things clearer! :)
Regards,
Marius
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Thank you for taking the troub... View more
Thank you for taking the trouble to reply, Marius :)
I like the idea of the Web being for people - though I can't help wondering who all these programmers thought was using it before they suddenly discovered living, breathing humans down the other end of the pipe!
So programmers have finally started trying to provide what Web users want. Hurrah!
I think there's a long way to go yet, though. If I weren't so sure that Web2 is just a catchphrase invented to sell lots of seminar tickets to nervous clients & webmasters, I might suggest it's a bit arrogant to announce that the Web's moved on to some higher plane because you can now do things with Web pages instead of just look at them [sorry, Dale, if you're reading this ;)].
Still, it's nice to see so many more programmers taking an interest in -er, creating interesting content. I hope plenty of idiot-proof extensions will surface soon, so I can use them!
Cheers,
Cherry.
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Interested in AJaX components for my clients/projects? Yes. Interested to show off the term AJaX to fight competition? I shouldn't be. Alexandru said it best, they'll be fine if they gracefully degrade. Personally, I get happy when I see sites use little things to help users, like descriptive title attributes. :P
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I'll be the first to admit that until a couple weeks ago ( even after reading up on the subject mainly through Alexandru's Blog) I had no comprehension of what Ajax was/is/will be. Then I visited the InterAKT HQ where some of us Team InterAKT guys were exposed to a small demo of Ajax and what it is. Somehow seeing is believing. I still havn't got a clue as to how to use it or even when to use it. But I do know that it is something that I am personally looking very much forward to learning more about and will be counting on InterAKT ( as I have become to rely on probably too much) to help me in my step into AJAX. I think its going to be a great and widely used method in the very near future. I very much look forward to it. Brad
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Hi Brad,
You'll learn even mo... View more
Hi Brad,
You'll learn even more about it from this article. And you have probably already used some of the AJAX-based applications mentioned in the article without even realizing it. ;)
Google and Yahoo certainly seem to be using it for all their flagship services and applications (most of them still bearing the "Beta" label).
Regards,
Marius
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Hi Marius,Yeah, actually I ... View more
Hi Marius, Yeah, actually I printed out the pdf version and read it on the plane to Romania. Great stuff, although I still couldn't quite get my head around it until you guys actually showed us what it is. Now the article makes more sense. I can't wait .... Brad
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Do you really know what AJAX is all about?
I think I have a basic idea. I am a student at the moment and stumbled upon an article about it when trying to improve dynamic content. http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385print.php
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Do you find it useful?
It is the best thing I have learned about web dev outside of school.
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Do you use any AJAX-based applications? Which?
Google Maps
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Is this really the technology of tomorrow or is it just a fancy buzz word to impress your competitors?
AJAX uses old technologies that are already standardized within the industry. XHTML, CSS, JavaScript, and XML are the basic technologies that are used in AJAX. I believe that it will become a significant development tool and and continue to be used until a more dynamic methodology replaces it. I like AJAX because I can use it even with my limited experience in web development. I don't need a fancy compiler (Dream Weaver, Visual-Studio.NET) to develop interactive or data driven content.
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Do you use AJAX in your projects? Do your clients like it?
I had a project for my webdev/ class this past quarter. I found the article above with six days left in the quarter and knew that I had to implement it for the final presentation. The project can be found at URL http://168.156.248.53/Students/241AFa05/Quad_Shots/sam/ It uses AJAX for all page navigations. The Navigation back button is not completely functioning. I have gotten as far as tracking navigation progress just not application state at each URL change. This site has a no right click script that asks the user to not copy the site contents. Please ignore it and feel free to view the source code using your menu "view source" option. Next quarter I will be creating an AJAX curriculum as an independent learning project.
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www.AjaxProjects.com is a new directory...
Here you are...
This site will help you to find all the resource to learn and know all about Ajax technology, by providing you with the latest Ajax projects, latest Ajax tutorial, Ajax articles, Ajax Forum and Ajax news.
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Hi...
I just installed the AJAX extension and when I open a file in Dreamweaver 8 I am receiving an error message. The message states the following...
The Following translators were not loaded due to errors:
The following JavaScript error(s) occurred:
unterminated parenthetical
Any ideas what is causing this message?....HELP!!!
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I have now undertaken the dynamic tutorial. The only issue was attempting to apply both the sort behavior and the ajax link to the album title on the artist detail page. When I apply the ajax sort behavoir it works ok. Then when I apply the link, DW thinks that both the Ajax sort and a general server sort behavior has been applied. DW thinks one needs to be deleted. On the design page I end up with a </sapn> and an </a> tag that show as "illegal." I cannot find the </span> in code view. The </a> appears to be legal in code view since you need an end tag for the sort and an end tag for the link. However, if I delete one of </a> then design view likes that and only the </span> shows as invalid.
Jim A
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Hi Guys
i am shiroo. i am currently using AJAX. i am here with a small issue which i am facing in the current project. i am using AJAX with ASP 3.0. i have a pop up search page where i can list all the employees on click of search. after selecting a employee when i click a button the pop up gets closed and i get the result in a text box of the parent page. when the result is coming to the parent page the page was getting postback and the result (title and employee name and employee code ) will be displayed in the respective textboxes.
here i have implemented AJAX. but my issue is i am passing 3 parameters with the URL. (2 SQL Queries and 1 Foreign Key ID). for me for the first time i am not getting the result. i am getting the result only for the second time.(when i repeat the same process). can anyone help me out
Thanks
Shiroo
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Are you waiting for your requ... View more
Are you waiting for your request objects readystate to = 4 before you run any other code that uses your response values? This is done with a callback function that checks for a request.onreadystatechange where "request" is the variable you used when setting up your request. If request.readystate = 4 your request is ready to use. Check out this website http://www.javarss.com/ajax/j2ee-ajax.html.
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Hello Shiru ,
I got the same ... View more
Hello Shiru ,
I got the same problem with php.
Here is the solution :
<?php
header( "Expires: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:00:00 GMT" );
header( "Last-Modified: " . gmdate( "D, d M Y H:i:s" ) . "GMT" );
header( "Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate" );
header( "Pragma: no-cache" );
?>
Well.....it's php , I do not use asp but you should find something like that to refresh cache
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